>>> HELLO, WELCOME BACK.

MY NAME IS STEFANIE MILLS, I WILL BE THE HOST FOR YOUR NEXT HALF HOUR ASKING LOCAL BUILD IS YOUR QUESTION.

I WANT TO WELCOME OUR GUEST THIS EVENING.

IN THE STUDIO WITH ME TONIGHT ARE DAVID ROHMAN WITH DAVID ROHMAN BUILDER AND HOME INSPECTOR ALONG WITH: HAROLD WITH GREEN MOLD AND NBC SWEET OR GOOD EVENING SPEECH WELCOME BACK.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

>> BEFORE WE DIVE INTO QUESTIONS, COLLIN AND DAVE, CAN YOU TELL THE VIEWERS ABOUT YOURSELF IN THE AREA OF SPECIALTY.

DAVE, WE WILL START WITH YOU.

>> MY WIFE CAROLYN AND I ARE CELEBRATING OUR 46th YEAR OF BUSINESS IN 46th YEAR OF MARRIAGE TO DO HEY, CONGRATULATIONS!

>> SOMEHOW THOSE BOTH WORKED OUT.

AGAIN, WE HAVE BEEN DOING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING FOR 46 YEARS.

WE SPECIALIZE IN REMODELING RIGHT FROM THE START BECAUSE WHEN I STARTED OUT INTEREST RATES WERE 19 PERCENT IN MOST PEOPLE THAT'S ALL THEY COULD AFFORD TO DO WAS REMODEL THEIR HOUSES PICK AT SOME POINT I BRANCHED OUT INTO HOME INSPECTIONS AND HAVE CONDUCTED OVER 10,000 SINCE I STARTED AND ALSO DO TIME OF TRANSFER INSPECTIONS FOR THE COUNTY.

>> OKAY.

AND COLIN?

>> I HAVE BEEN A BUILDER FOR A LITTLE OVER 30 YEARS.

PART OWNER OF GREENWALD & BC OF CENTRAL AND NORTHERN MICHIGAN.

WE HAVE AN I WAS IN MOUNT PLEASANT AND BEAVER ISLAND.

WE TAKE CARE OF RESIDENTIAL AND EDUCATIONAL FOR CENTRAL MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY SPEED WE GENERALLY SEE THOSE TRUCKS AROUND CAMPUS YEAR.

FROM HOME INSPECTIONS TO BUILDING PROJECTS, YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY BE ABLE TO ANSWER A VARIETY OF QUESTIONS.

FOR YOU AT HOME WATCHING TONIGHT TO BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS GET THE PHONE AND CALL THE NUMBER ON YOUR SCREEN.

WE HAVE PHONE OPERATORS STANDBY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY.

YOU CAN ALSO POST YOUR QUESTION TO OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.

WE ARE STREAMING LIVE.

WHETHER YOU ARE WATCHING US ON THE TV OR ON YOUR SMART OR MOBILE DEVICE THERE IS MANY WAYS FOR YOU TO BE A PART OF THE NICE CONVERSATION.

DON'T HESITATE TO.

THE PHONE AND BE A PART OF TONIGHT'S CONVERSATION.

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THE SHOW BEGAN.

ONE YEAR AGO WE DID THIS TOPIC.

THE MAJOR TOPIC AT THE TIME WAS THE COST OF SUPPLIES FOR BUILDING PROJECTS AND STUFF.

WITH THOSE SWORD LUMBER PRICES, HAVE BECAUSE LEVELED OUT THIS YEAR?

WHERE DO WE STAND WITH THINGS, COLIN?

>> THE ANSWER IS NO.

LUMBER GETS THE HEADLINE BECAUSE IT IT'S A COMMODITY LAUNCH LIKE FUEL IS AND IT SPIKES UP AND DROPS.

NOT AS MUCH IS WHAT THE HEADLINES MAKE.

THE OTHER PRODUCTS THAT HAVE HAD SHORTAGES IN THE ENERGY CRISIS THAT'S OCCURRING HAS DRIVEN THOSE PRICES UP.

THE SIDING, ROOFING, DECKING, CARPETING.

THE FURNACES.

ACROSS THE BOARD WE CONTINUE TO GET PRICE INCREASES ALMOST WEEKLY.

IT HAS NOT LEVELED OUT.

YOU SEE SOMETHING DROP, YOU DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION SOMETHING ELSE ROSE ON YOU.

>> SO THERE IS STILL A LOT OF VOLATILE -- VOLATILITY THERE.

ALL RIGHT.

BUILDERS WERE ALSO VERY BUSY THIS TIME OF YEAR WITH SOME PROJECTS BEING BOOKED OUT A YEAR OR TWO IN ADVANCE.

HAS THAT KIND OF CHANGED OR ARE WE STILL KIND OF SEEING THAT SAME PATTERN?

>> WE ARE STILL SEEING A PATTERN OF BEING QUITE A WAYS OUT.

PART OF THAT IS BEING SHUT DOWN DURING THE COVID CRISIS AND HONESTLY WE NEVER CAUGHT UP AND A LOT OF PEOPLE NEVER DID.

IT'S FUNNY, SOMETIMES WHEN WE ARE DOING A PROJECT AND IT MIGHT BE OUTDOORS AND IT RAINS AND PEOPLE THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A ONE-DAY DELAY.

IN OUR WORLD IF IT RAINS AND WE SHIFT GEARS AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT'S TWO WEEKS.

IS VERY DIFFICULT TO ACCOMMODATE FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CHANGE DURING OUR WORLD.

NOW IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO BE FOUR TO SIX TO EIGHT TO TWO YEARS OUT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PROJECT IS.

>> THAT'S MARKET SPECIFIC.

WE WORK IN VARIOUS MARKETS IN SOME MARKETS ARE BOOKED THROUGH 2022 INTO 23 ALREADY.

IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF PROJECTS.

>> DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHAT IT IS?

>> SURE.

AGAIN, THAT'S MORE LOCAL MARKET.

IT'S STILL NOT EASY TO FIND SOMEONE TO DO YOUR PROJECTS.

>> YOU IF I'M A HOMEOWNER AND SAY I'M LOOKING TO HAVE A NEW DECK BUILT, WHAT ARE SOME FIRST STEPS I COULD TAKE TO GET THAT PROJECT GOING?

>> OBVIOUSLY, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO IT.

THAT REALLY HELPS.

HAVE A LITTLE DESIGNED MIND TO.

YOU WILL CONTACT SOME PEOPLE, THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFICULTY BECOMES.

>> WHERE DO YOU START?

DO YOU LOOK SOMEONE UP IN THE PHONE BOOK?

>> SURE, YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE PHONE BOOK.

WORD-OF-MOUTH IS THE BEST.

THE HOMEBUILDERS ASSOCIATION IS THE GREATEST RESOURCE OF LICENSED, INSURED, BUT IT PEOPLE.

I THINK COLLIN AND I BOTH WOULD REFER, IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO HANDLE YOUR PROJECT OR DO ANY TIMELY MATTER HOW WE TYPICALLY REFER IT TO OUR EXECUTIVE OFFICER CARMI WHO IS THE WIZARD AND SHE WILL GIVE YOU A LIST OF COMPETENT PEOPLE.

>> MOUNT PLEASANT EXECUTIVE -- WE ARE BROADCASTING ACROSS THE STATE AND THERE'S HOMEBUILDERS ASSOCIATION ACROSS THE STATE.

LIKE DAVID SAID, WORD-OF-MOUTH.

IF YOU SEE SOMEONE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WORKING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STOP AND TALK TO THE BUILDER.

>> THE SIGN OUT, MAYBE TAKE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION.

>> KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND SEE WHAT KIND OF EXPENSE THEY HAVE.

IS NOT ABOUT THE PRODUCT, IT'S ABOUT THE ENTIRE EXPERIENCE.

WHAT KIND OF SERVICE YOU'VE GOT ALL THE WAY ALONG?

>> IF YOU DO GET SOMEONE READ YOU GET A COUPLE PEOPLE, THE INTERVIEW PROCESS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

HAVE THEM OVER, DISCUSS THE PROJECT, GET A FEEL FOR HOW THEY RELATE, HOW THEY COMMUNICATE AND WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO.

YOU.

YOU WILL KNOW PRETTY QUICKLY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ONE QUESTION WE GOT IS A PERSON HAD AN ISSUE WITHANCE, INVADED THE GRAVEL UNDER THE FOUNDATION.

THEIR COMING INTO THE HOUSE.

WHAT SHOULD THEY DO?

SPEED.

>> CALL AN EXTERMINATOR.

>> OKAY, START THEIR.

>> THAT'S THE EASY ANSWER.

>> THEY HAVE SOME OVER-THE-COUNTER PRODUCTS AT YOUR LOCAL HARDWARE STORE OR WHATEVER AND YOU CAN CERTAINLY TRY THOSE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT LEVEL OF INFESTATION AND WHAT TYPE BUT CERTAINLY THERE ARE PRODUCTS THAT FOLKS HAVE THAT ARE PROFESSIONALS THAT YOU CAN'T GET OVER THE COUNTER.

>> SURE.

>> A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN SPRINKLE AROUND THE FOUNDATION AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT THEY WILL TAKE BACK TO THE NEST IN THAT KIND OF SOLVES THE PROBLEM.

>> OKAY.

EXACTLY.

WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO REMOVE PINE SAP FROM A LOG HOME BEFORE YOU RESTAIN IT?

ANY ADVICE THERE?

>> I'M A LONG WAYS FROM AN EXPERT AT THAT.

>> OKAY.

>> WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF SEVERAL LOG HOME PRODUCTS.

I HAVE NEVER HAD THAT QUESTION ASKED.

I GUESS THE BEST ANSWER IS TO CONTACT A PAINTING OR STAINING PROFESSIONAL AND SEE WHAT THEY RECOMMEND, BECAUSE LIKE COHEN SAID IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE PURVIEW ON WHAT WE DO ON THE NORMAL BASIS.

>> ANOTHER QUESTION WE OFTEN GET DURING THIS PROGRAM IS WHAT ARE SOME OPTIONS FOR LEAKY SKYLIGHTS?

YOU LAUGH BECAUSE WE PROBABLY -- >> WE CALL THEM SKY LEAKS.

THERE ARE GOOD QUALITY SKYLIGHTS AND NOT SO GOOD QUALITY.

THE PLASTIC BUBBLES WE CALL THEM.

GENERALLY IT'S NOT THE SKYLIGHT ITSELF, GENERALLY THE FLASHINGS AROUND THEM.

TAR IS TEMPORARY, JUST REMEMBER THAT.

TAR CAN SOMETIMES HELP IF YOU HAVE A BUBBLE STYLE.

>> FOR A MOMENT.

>> USUALLY IS THE AGE OF YOUR ROOFING AND FLASHING.

NOT THE SKYLIGHTS FAULT.

THE ROOFING AND FLASHING HAVE AGED AND CAUSED A PROBLEM.

TREE DEBRIS, ICE, SNOW CAN OVER A PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE LEAKS BIGGER USUALLY, IT'S THE AGE OF THE ROOF.

>> THE OTHER THING THAT CAN FREQUENTLY HAPPEN IS THE GLAZING BOOT BETWEEN THE GLASS AND THE TOP TRIM, THE ESCUTCHEON, WILL FAIL.

SOMETIMES WE WILL SEAL UP THE STEP FLASHING AND STILL HAVE A SO HEAVY LEAK.

SIMPLE BEAT OF CLEAR SILICONE WHERE IT MEETS THE ESCUTCHEON SOMETIME SOLVES THE PROBLEM.

WATER IS DIABOLICAL.

IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED IT ALWAYS WINS SPEED ISN'T THAT THE TRUTH?

>> IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU CAN USUALLY SEE A WATER LINE.

IF IT'S COMING OFF THE GLASS YOU ARE SEEING LIKE A TRAIL OR COMING THROUGH THE DRYWALL OR TRIM AROUND IT YOU CAN KIND OF KNOW WHETHER IT'S THROUGH IT OR AROUND IT.

>> GOT IT.

LOOK WHERE THE WATER GOES.

SPEAKING OF LEAKING, THEY CALL HER HAD A FRENCH DOOR INSTALLED IN THE BASEMENT AND IT'S LEAKING.

USUALLY WHEN IT RAINS.

ANY ADVICE FOR THEM?

>> WELL, DEPENDS ON HOW IT WAS INSTALLED.

TYPICALLY, WHEN WE INSTALL ANY EXTERIOR DOOR WE WILL DO WHAT WE'VE REFERRED TO AS A PAN UNDERNEATH, WHICH IS A DOUBLE WAY OF SEALING THIS THING UP WITH CLOCKS AND ALUMINUM UP THE SIDE.

IS IT COMING IN FROM UNDERNEATH, COMING IN WITH THE WEATHERSTRIPPING MEANS?

I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION.

THE OTHER QUESTION IS IS THAT A DOUBLES SWING FRENCH DOOR, WHICH ARE THE WORST, OR IS IT A SINGLE SWING?

SOMETIMES IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THAT IS AS TO WHERE THAT WATER IS COMING FROM.

>> OR I ALSO HEARD BASEMENT, WHICH IMPLIES THERE IS MAYBE AN ENTIRE STORY OR TWO OF SIDING ABOVE THAT DOOR, SO IT COULD BE AT THE TOP OF THE DOOR WHERE THE SIDING FROM ABOVE MEETS THAT TRIM AND MAYBE THERE'S NOT A FLASHING THERE THAT HELPS KICK THAT WATER OUT.

THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

>> THE OTHER THING THAT CAN SOMETIMES GETS IGNORED AND HONESTLY AS SIMPLE IS THAT IF IT'S A VINYL SIDING AND THERE IS A J CHANNEL OR A SCEPTER CHANNEL THAT MEETS THE STORE, DID THEY CALL BEFORE THE J CHANNEL THE DOOR?

SOUNDS SIMPLE BUT WATER GOES BACKWARDS.

>> GOOD ADVICE.

DAVID, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR JOB AS A HOME INSPECTOR NEW BREAKUP WITH THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, HOW BUSY ARE YOU RIGHT NOW?

>> BLESSEDLY, VERY BUSY.

YES, THE MARKET FOR USED HOMES IS VERY FAST.

THINGS ARE HAPPENING QUICKLY AND WE ARE FEELING LOTS OF CALLS.

IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT PEOPLE ARE WRITING, USED TO BE YOU WOULD WRITE A DEAL IN YOUR TEN DAYS IN WHICH TO HAVE A HOME INSPECTED.

IF YOU DO THAT YOU DON'T GET THE HOUSE.

WE ARE FINDING THAT TWO TO THREE DAY INSPECTION WINDOW CONTINGENCIES ARE COMING UP, SO IT IS VERY BUSY.

>> DO YOU SEE INSPECTIONS HAPPENING BY THE SELLER BEFORE THE SALE SO YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF A LOT A LOT OF LISTINGS?

>> WE ARE GETTING A LOT MORE PRESALE INSPECTIONS BY PEOPLE.

THEY WANT TO AVOID SOME OF THE SURPRISES.

>> NEGOTIATIONS.

>> FROM THE SELLER.

>> HERE'S WHAT DAVID'S GOING TO FIND WHEN HE PURCHASED THE -- LET'S FIX THEM RIGHT NOW.

>> WE LITERALLY GO THROUGH AND GIVE THEM A TO DO LIST.

OTHER WORDS, I SAY THIS TYPICALLY COMES UP PICK WE WANT TO AVOID A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, SO LET'S PAINT THAT.

>> GOT IT.

>> YES, THAT HAPPENS.

WHEN WE GET THAT TO DO LIST.

IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE A BUYER FROM HAVING THEIR OWN INSPECTION BUT A LOT OF TIMES IT GOES A LONG WAY, ESPECIALLY IF OUR DOCUMENT IS ON THE TABLE AND THEY PRESENT IT TO THE FUTURE BUYERS AND THEY SAY WE HAD THESE PEOPLE COME THROUGH, THIS IS WHAT WE DID.

SOMETIMES THAT TAKES CARE OF IT.

>> VAST CHANGES WITHIN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

WHEN YOU ARE DOING AN INSPECTION WHAT ARE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT MIGHT COME UP DURING AN INSPECTION.

>> I WAS LIKE TO SAY WE START AT THE BOTTOM AND WORK OUR WAY OUT.

THE MAJOR SYSTEMS OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IT.

VISIBLE STRUCTURE FOUNDATION, PLUMBING, HEATING, ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS.

DOORS, WINDOWS.

GET INSIDE THE ATTIC TO LOOK.

MAKE SURE THE ROOF DECKING, INSULATION, VENTILATION AND THE STRUCTURE IS IN GOOD SHAPE.

I TELL PEOPLE THAT IT'S A USED PRODUCT THAT'S GOING TO BE MINOR CRACKS AND SCRAPES AND DENTS IN MINOR THINGS THAT GO ON.

WE ARE CONCENTRATING ON THE MAJOR SYSTEMS.

>> GOTCHA.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A CALLER FROM WILLIAMSBURG TONIGHT.

THEY RECENTLY ADDED A SUB PUMP TO THE 70 -YEAR-OLD HOME.

IS IT OKAY TO PLUG IT INTO THE NEAREST OUTLET OR SHOULD THIS BE HARDWIRED?

>> THAT PROBABLY WILL WORK TO AN OUTLET, BUT I WOULD TELL YOU IF IT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF YOUR HOME YOU MIGHT WANT A DEDICATED CIRCUIT WHERE AS YOU ARE NOT USING OTHER POWER ON THAT CIRCUIT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE A FAULT AND NOT HAVE THE PUMP WORKING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW DESPERATE IT IS.

SOME PEOPLE TURN OFF THEIR SOME PUMPKINS AND 20 MONTHS THEY HAVE PROBLEMS.

CERTAINLY WHEN WE WOULD BUILD NEW WE MAKE SURE YOU HAD A DEDICATED CIRCUIT.

I'M SURE IT WILL WORK BUT WHAT ELSE IS ON THE CIRCUIT?

>> EXACTLY RIGHT.

THE DANGER IS THERE MAY NOT BE ENOUGH AMPERAGE IN THE OUTLET.

>> WHEN YOU NEEDED ALL.

>> EXACTLY RIGHT.

IN 2017 WE HAD PEOPLE WHOSE SUMP PUMPS WERE IN THE CROCK OF SMOKING, BOILING THE WATER.

THAT'S HOW HARD THEY WERE WORKING.

YOU CAN IMAGINE THE POWER AND THE AMOUNT OF AMPS.

>> 2017, WHEN WE HAD THE FLIGHT HERE?

>> YES, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR FAMOUS FLOODS.

>> YEAH.

>> YOU IN MOUNT PLEASANT.

>> THE OTHER THING, FMA, A LOT OF PEOPLE FOUND OUT THE HARD WAY IN 2017 THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A SUMP PUMP WRITER POLICY THAT ADDRESSES THAT LAW SPECIFICALLY, THEY WERE NOT COVERED.

IF THEY HAD A WATER HEATER THAT FAILS AND IT FLOODS OR BASEMENTS, IT'S A PERTINENT STRUCTURE AND THEY ARE COVERED.

IF THEY HAVE A SUMP PUMP THAT FAILS AND THEY ARE NOT INSURED FOR THAT THEY CAN SUSTAINED A SIGNIFICANT LOSS.

>> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE LEARNED LESSONS.

>> THEY FOUND OUT THE HARD WAY.

>> A CALLER FROM FRANKENMUTH HEAD OF A RANCH HOUSE BUILT IN 1978.

FLOORS SQUEAK.

IS THIS SOMETHING TO BE OF CONCERN.

I KNOW THAT'S HARD TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S GOING ON BUT WHAT KIND OF ADVICE DO YOU HAVE THERE?

>> PROBABLY NOT.

I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S PROBABLY NOT A STRUCTURAL ISSUE SPEED BUT WHAT IF IT IS -- HIS.

>> BEING FROM 78, I'M GUESSING HOUSE PROBABLY BUILT.

TRADITIONAL WOOD FLOOR JOISTS, LIKELY A HALF INCH LAYER OF PLYWOOD AND POTENTIALLY 58 SLAYER OF A PARTICLEBOARD OVER TOP.

A LOT OF THAT TIME FRAME, IT SIMPLY COULD BE IT WASN'T GLUED, IT WAS JUST NAILED AND OVER TIME THESE THINGS HAVE MOVED AND WE'RE A LITTLE HOLE.

IF THE BASEMENT IS OPEN, ONE TRICK YOU CAN USE IS GO ALONG THE CHOICE WERE THE PLYWOOD ENJOYS COME TOGETHER AND YOU CAN READ A BEAD OF CONSTRUCTION SEALANT AND I WILL SOMETIMES SLOW LOWER DOWN.

DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU HAVE FOR FLOORING BUT CERTAINLY WHEN YOU CHANGE THE FLOOR AND INTO IN YOUR ROOM THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH AND SCREW THAT OFF.

>> THE SQUEAK THE AIR HEARING IS LITERALLY THOSE BOARDS THAT COLLIN MENTIONED THAT ARE WRITING UP AND DOWN ON THE NAILS.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE ERA, WHETHER CONSTRUCTION ADHESIVE WAS BEING USED.

>> OKAY.

A CALLER FORMED AFTER.

WOULD YOU, EXPERTS, RECOMMEND A WOOD DECK OR COMPOSITE MATERIAL?

>> SIXTY 4,000 DOLLARS QUESTION.

>> WE DO BOTH EVERY MONTH.

I WOULD TELL YOU COMPOSITE IS FANTASTIC, A LOT MORE EXPENSE AND A LOT OF TECHNICAL INSTALLATION DETAILS.

IF YOU ARE NOT PERFECT ON THOSE THAN THEY ARE NO BETTER THAN A STANDARD WOOD DECK BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO OUTLAST THEM.

I DO BELIEVE IN THE COMPOSITE.

I DO BELIEVE IN MAKING SURE YOU FOLLOW ALL THE MANUFACTURER'S WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS AND TECHNICAL DETAILS OR YOU ARE GOING TO BE SAD.

THAT BEING SAID SOME PEOPLE SAID I CAN BUY TWO DECKS FOR THE PRICE.

LET ME BUY A WOOD ONE AND IN A YEAR ANOTHER ONE.

IN THE LUMBAR THEMSELVES, THE SUBSTRUCTURE IS THE SAME.

IT'S THE TOPPING THAT IS PRIMARILY DIFFERENT.

IT'S PROBABLY.

>> FOUR TIMES THE PRICE OF A LINEAL FOOT OF A TRADITIONAL TREE TO BOARD.

>> HOW WONDER HOW THAT COMPARISON TO THE PRICES -- SPEECH I STILL THINK: IS CORRECT,.

>> FOUR TIMES THE CROSS.

ONE THING PEOPLE SHOULD KEEP IN MIND AND I REMEMBER DOING THIS ONE COMPOSITE FIRST CAME OUT, PEOPLE WANTED TO HAVE THIS COMPOSITE PUT ALL THE WAY AROUND THEIR SWIMMING POOL.

SOUNDED LIKE A REALLY GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME, UNTIL THEY TRIED TO WALK ON IT AND IT WAS LIKE WALKING ON A STOVE.

>> IT CAN GET WARM.

>> LET ME TELL YOU, IT'S RECYCLED PLASTIC MATERIAL AND IT ABSORBS HEAT LIKE NOTHING YOU HAVE EVER SEEN.

>> PROBABLY SLIPPERY.

>> THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

IF YOU HAVE A SOUTHERN OR WESTERN ORIENTATION WITH NO COVER.

MIGHT CONSIDER THE WOOD.

>> WE JUST USE THE WORK TERM COMPOSITE WHICH IS VERY BROAD.

RECYCLE PLASTICS, THERE IS VINYL.

>> PVC.

>> THERE IS A LOT BIGGER WHAT DAVID IS SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

MAYBE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT ASPECTS THAT COMPOSITE MIGHT BE FOR YOUR USE.

>> IT DOESN'T EXPAND A CONTRACT, SO COLLINS POINT IS WELL TAKEN.

IF YOU DON'T FALL AS MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS ABOUT SPACING CORRECTLY, I'VE SEEN SOME WILD THINGS WERE THINGS HAVE -- TWO BOARDS HAVE HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT OF A TOTAL DECK SPAN IN ORDER FOR THE BOARDS TO SET DOWN AGAIN.

THAT'S HOW MUCH EXPANSION.

>> VERY DETAILED.

>> THERE'S PROS AND CONS BETWEEN THE TWO.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WE HAVE ABOUT TEN MINUTES LEFT.

IF YOU'RE WATCHING AT HOME HE SAW THE TIME TO GET A QUESTION TO US.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO A COLOR FROM HOUGHTON LAKE.

THEY HAVE A 30 -YEAR-OLD MOBILE HOME.

THERE TOLD THE WALLS ARE TWO BY TWO.

CAN I ADD A METTLE ROOF WITHOUT ADDITIONAL FRAMING.

>> WELL, I'M NOT SURE I'M QUALIFIED TO SAY YES OR NO, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING THEY BUILD A SUBSTRUCTURE ON THE OUTSIDE OF A POLE FRAME STRUCTURE THAT IS DESIGNED TO SUPPORT IT.

GENERALLY, IT'S NOT JUST THE WALLS BECAUSE THE FRAME UNDERNEATH.

IF THEY ARE NOT ON THE FOUNDATION YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE CAPACITY ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM.

GENERALLY, IF IT'S NOT ON A FULL FOUNDATION YOU ARE GOING TO WANT THAT ROOF SETTING ON THE SUBSTRUCTURE.

THINK OF IT LIKE A POLE BARN ALMOST OVERTOP OF THE TRAILER.

GENERALLY SPEAKING THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO BE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

YET, SO MANY TIMES THOSE UNITS COULD BE JUST SET ON PEERS.

PRECISELY RIGHT.

DOESN'T HAVE A TRUE CRAWLSPACE FOUNDATION OR SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORT UNDERNEATH.

>> YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE IT BUT THAT TRAILER IS MOVING UP AND DOWN WITH THE SEASONAL FROST.

>> IT FLOATS.

>> INTERESTING.

DAVID, BACK TO.

FOR A TYPICAL INSPECTION, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE?

>> FOR HOW LONG DOES A HOME -- IT.

>> YEAH.

>> YOU TWO TO FOUR TO SIX HOURS.

DEPENDS ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE NUMBER OF PROBLEMS WE RUN INTO.

AGAIN, TO TWO TO THREE IS PRETTY MUCH THE NORM.

BUT THEN I'VE DONE HOMES THAT HAVE 12 BATHROOMS AND IT.

THAT CAN BE A LITTLE MORE TIME CONSUMING.

>> YEAH.

>> YOU HOMES THAT HAVE CRAWLSPACES TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME.

GETTING THE ADDICT TAKES A LITTLE MORE TIME.

SOME CUSTOMERS ARE MORE CHATTY THAN OTHERS.

>> THAT LEADS ME TO ANOTHER QUESTION.

WHEN YOU DO A HOME INSPECTION DO YOU TYPICALLY HAVE THE BUYER OR THE SELLER WITH YOU?

>> I LOVE TO HAVE THE BUYER WITH ME.

>> OKAY.

>> WE PREFER NOT TO HAVE THE SELLERS THERE BUT THAT'S NOT INSURMOUNTABLE.

THEY KNOW THE RULES IN A GOOD REALTOR TYPICALLY WILL KIND OF TAKE THEM ASIDE AND THEY WILL HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS, BUT I PREFER TO HAVE THE BUYER WITH ME BECAUSE THERE IS SO MANY SUBTLE THINGS THAT HAPPENED DURING THE COURSE OF THE INSPECTION AND WITH MY CONSTRUCTION EXPERIENCE, OVER 46 YEARS, THERE ARE A LOT OF TIMES I CAN LOOK AT THE PRODUCT AND SAY THIS WAS MADE BY SOMEONE SO-AND-SO.

HERE WAS THE EXPERIENCE WE HAD WITH THEM.

THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE MARKET AND THIS IS HOW THIS IS CHANGED.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT TRANSLATE IN ANY REPORT OR EVEN A PICTURE THAT HAPPENED DURING THE COURSE OF AN INSPECTION.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE CHANGES.

IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, EARLIER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TIME OF TRANSFER.

THAT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT THAT A FEW MONTHS AGO.

TALK TO HER VIEWERS ABOUT WHAT IS THAT.

THAT'S A RELATIVELY NEW THING HERE.

>> IN ISABELLA COUNTY,.

>> FOUR YEARS AGO, THEY PASSED AN ORDINANCE OR RULE OR LAW, NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW IT CAME DOWN, BUT IT IS NOW INCUMBENT UPON ALL SELLERS TO HAVE THEIR WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS INSPECTED PRIOR TO SELLING.

THAT PROCESS WOULD INCLUDE PUMPING THE TANK IF IT HAS NOT BEEN PUMPED WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND THEN HAVING A INSPECTOR EITHER FROM CENTRAL MICHIGAN DISTRICT HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR A CERTIFIED INSPECTORATE, WHICH I AM, THROUGH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT INSPECTION.

THAT WOULD INVOLVE TAKING A TWO-PART WATER TEST, ONE FOR E. COLI AND BACTERIA, ONE FOR NITRATES, AND THEN MAPPING AND DISCOVERING WHERE THE DRAIN FIELD IS.

INSPECTING THE TANK TO SEE IF THERE IS A STATIC LEVEL.

WHEN WE OPEN IT, STATIC LEVEL, WHEN WE CUP IT, NO WATER COMING BACK FROM THE FIELD.

AND TAKING CORE SAMPLES IN THE FIELD AND CHECKING THE STONE TO MAKE SURE IT HASN'T FAILED.

IF ALL THOSE THINGS PAST AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS ARE UP TO MUSTER, THAT YOU GET A CERTIFICATE OF AUTHORIZATION OF PROPERTY TRANSFER.

THEN YOU SELL YOUR HOUSE SEATED THEN YOU SELL YOUR HOUSE.

EASY.

>> EASY PC!

>> THE ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT, ISABELLA COUNTY IS ACTUALLY ONE OF A FEW PLACES THAT DOES SOMETHING AHEAD OF THE STATE.

>> I'M NOT SURE -- IT WAS A WATER PROTECTION ISSUE.

PEOPLE VALUES LAKES AND STREAMS AND WE FOUND THAT SMART PEOPLE DID RESEARCH AND FOUND THAT WAS GETTING INTO OUR LAKES AND RIVERS AND SO THIS IS A PRODUCTION T THING.

IT'S ALSO PROTECTION FOR THE BUYER BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN UNEXPECTED IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS OR SOMETHING AFTER THEY JUST SIGNED FOR MORTGAGE.

>> SOME PEOPLE PROBABLY THROWN OFF AT FIRST BUT REALLY BIG PICTURE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT IT'S TO EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT.

>> IT REALLY IS IN THE LONG RU.

>> ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO A CRAWL SPACE.

WAS THE BEST WAY TO INSULATE A CRAWLSPACE?

>> MY PREFERENCE IS FOAM INSULATION IF POSSIBLE.

HARD FORM OR WHAT WE CALL CLOSED CELL FOAM.

A GREAT VALUE AND IT HELPS WITH MOISTURE ISSUES.

WE DO THAT IN THE EXTERIOR WALLS.

FROM THE FLOOR, INCLUDING THE FLOOR BOND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE DIRT LEVEL OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE DONE THEIR.

THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE IDEAS BUT THAT'S WHAT MY PREFERENCES.

>> I PREFER THE SPRAY FIRM AS WELL AND IS IMPERVIOUS TO MOISTURE, INSECTS HAVE RESISTANCE TO HEAT TRANSFER IS SUPERIOR.

MICHIGAN ENERGY CODE PRESCRIBES A CERTAIN LEVEL OF INSULATION THAT WE ARE BOUND TO PUT IN CRAWLSPACES OR FOUNDATIONS AND IT ALSO HAS TO DO -- ME A FLAME THREAT CAPACITY SO THAT THIS IS NOT A HAZARD FOR PEOPLE WITH FIRES.

>> SURE.

GOING BACK TO METTLE ROOFS.

WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF A METTLE ROOF?

>> YOU MIGHT LIKE THEM.

SOME PEOPLE JUST LIKE THEM.

THAT'S A GREAT ADVANTAGE.

ANY CAR YOU DRIVE OR WHATEVER.

ONE OF THE DISADVANTAGES, A MISUNDERSTANDING.

THEY ARE NOT ALL CREATED EQUAL.

SOME ARE EXPOSED FASTER LIKE WHAT YOU MAY THINK OF POLL BARNS, SCREW THROUGH THE TOP, OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME THOSE METALS EXPAND OR CONTRACT, LITTLE RUBBER SEALS ON THE SCREWS GO BAD.

LITTLE LEAKS.

THAT IS IN YOUR POLE BARN OR DRUGS THAT'S ANNOYING.

CONCEALED FASTENER, COUPLES ARE MORE EXPENSIVE SYSTEMS.

THEY ARE REALLY LONG-TERM SYSTEMS.

THEY ARE DESIGNED TO LAST A LONG TIME, THE CONCEALED FASTENERS.

BUT THERE'S PAINT ON THOSE AND WHILE THE PAINT HAS EXTENDED WARRANTIES OF 30 OR 40 YEARS, THERE'S THINGS IN THERE THAT SAYS DON'T RUSH THROUGH.

DOESN'T SAY BRIGHT RED WILL LOOK BRIGHT RED 40 YEARS FROM NOW.

AND REALLY A LOT OF IT YOU HAVE TO LIKE THEM.

>> ODDLY ENOUGH SOME PEOPLE HAVE HAD EXPERIENCED DIFFICULTY WITH THEIR CELL PHONE RECEPTION AFTER PUTTING ON METTLE ROOFS.

IT HAPPENS.

>> IN THE NORTHERN COUNTRY WE SEE A LOT MORE OF THEM.

THEY SHED SNOW WHICH IS GOOD IN SOME WAYS TO GET IT OFF THE HOUSE BIGGER THAN WE FIND WE WANT TO PUT WAYS TO CONTROL THE SNOW LIKE THE AREAS WITH THE DECKS AND DOORS ARE SO YOU DON'T CLOSE THE DOOR AND A BUNCH OF SNOW COMES DOWN.

THE SUM OF THE PROS AND CONS.

>> BECAUSE SNOW IS TRANSLUCENT EVEN ON A GREAT DAY THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ULTRAVIOLET RAYS THAT BOUNCES THROUGH AND HITS THAT PAINT IN THE SNOW LOOSENS UP.

WHEN IT GOES, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE UNDER IT.

IT TURNS TO CEMENT ALMOST INSTANTLY.

>> FIRST OFF, LIKE IT AND IF YOU LIKE IT LOOK FOR A GOOD ONE.

DO SOME HOMEWORK AND MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT JUST GETTING AN AVERAGE ROOF.

OTHERWISE IT'S AN EXPENSIVE INVESTMENT.

>> WEIGH THE PROS AND CONS JUST LIKE ANY OF THE PROJECT.

WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MINUTES BUT WHAT ADVICE DO YOU HAVE FOR A HOMEOWNER LOOKING TO MAKE A RESERVATION OR AN ADDITION RIGHT NOW.

>> IT HELPS ANYONE, ANY BUILDER OR ANYONE LOOKING AT YOUR PROJECT, THAT YOU HAVE THOUGHT IT THROUGH AND MADE SOME DECISIONS PREEMPTIVELY.

IF YOU CAN HAVE A DESIGN DONE THAT REALLY STREAMLINES THE PRODUCT -- PROJECT.

IT ALSO AVOIDS A LOT OF AMBIGUITIES IN THE LONG RUN.

DO AS MUCH HOMEWORK AS YOU CAN OUTFRONT THAT REALLY HELPS THE INTERVIEW PROCESS AND ALSO THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

>> WHAT ARE WAYS TO SAVE IN THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS?

ARE THE OTHER THINGS PEOPLE CAN DO ON THEIR OWN?

>> HOMEWORK AND RESEARCH.

MAKE SURE YOU ARE GETTING WHAT YOU WANT FOR THE LEAST AMOUNT YOU ARE AVAILABLE TO PAY.

BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF IS A BIG PART OF THAT.

WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT I CAN BE HAPPY WITH THAT, DETERMINE WHAT YOU CAN BE HAPPY WITH.

DAVID AND I DON'T CARE WE PUT IN YOUR HOME WE JUST WANT YOU TO BE HAPPY WITH IT AND WE WILL TELL YOU WHAT HAS GREATER LONGEVITY VERSUS NOT.

BUT IF YOU'RE LIKE A LOOK, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CARPET, CAN REPLACE IT BUT I WANT GOOD WINDOWS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING TO REPLACE.

LEST THE HOMEOWNERS JOINTS IS TO MAKE THOSE.

BE HONEST IS A BIG PART OF IT SPEED WE HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS.

ANY FINAL PARTING WORDS?

>> DON'T GIVE UP.

KEEP CALLING.

>> BE PATIENT, TRIED TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP.

SNOW FIND SOMEBODY WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING -- FIND SOMEONE YOU CAN WORK WITH THAT WILL BE TRANSPARENT WITH YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE ARE GOING TO ENCOUNTER PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW.

JUST UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN WRITING.

>> ALSO GET ADVICE.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, THANK YOU THANK YOU HOME FOR JOINING US AND WATCHING US ALL SEASON LONG.

THIS IS OUR LAST EPISODE OF THE SEASON.

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THANKS FOR WATCHING, HAVE GREAT NIGHT.

WE WILL SEE YOU IN THE FALL.